Viktoria - gol.viktoria@yandex.ua

[buck12]

Thanks

I will put together the info you have requested. Not sure if I can acquire email headers. Not sure how to do in Bell Alliant email.

Here is some info on the first girl
Phone number: 380632783234
Email: gol.viktoria@yandex.ua
IP Address: 93.158.134.89 (Moscow)

There were no emails sent to me by this lady even though I tried but she had many excuses for not using email. She sent her info on Elena's Models. Not much written just her contact info. She supposedly live in Vinnitsa, Ukraine. Her voice on the phone sounds like an older woman. In our first conversation on the phone we talked about my cooking but in the second phone call she asked if I cooked, duh. On Skype she would only give you one word answers and you would have to wait many many minutes till she answered. If I asked a non yes or no question she would never answer. I should add that I am not very computer savvy so I will probably required help.

[FrumpyBB]

The long chat breaks and short answers are definite hints for talking to a variety of people at any time. Might be a professional agency, or just a single-working scammer. The pictures of the girl are stolen, the scammers are almost always male.
Do you have a money request chat log? (I guess no. If not, it´s not worth keeping up contact with them. Even if til this minute unproven, this is a 99.99% scam.)

Can´t get the info on how to get those provider´s headers right now. Either requires an account or some login/javascript blabla/not working thingy. Should be in the manual however, and basically means "show full header" or "show original" or a button with words to that effect.

[IceFM]

When one see where one can find this Girls......thats explain enough.

Email: gol.viktoria@yandex.ua

.....There were no emails sent to me by this lady even though I tried but she had many excuses for not using email. She sent her info on Elena's Models. Not much written just her contact info. She supposedly live in Vinnitsa, Ukraine.......

She's also in "My Partner forever" for/from Canada and USA. Its a professional Datingagency where you've to pay for all and everything. 1 Month 30$; 3 Month 75$ etc. They offer also Video-, Phonecalls, Gifts etc for this Membership.......the full Programm to get Money.

http://www.mypartnerforever.com/profile ... -12888.asp

The given Phone number <380632783234> is a mobile phone number from Ukraine....typical mostly for agency scams. Provider is Украина, Life:) .......is the third largest Ukrainian mobile telephone network operator, behind MTS Ukraine and Kyivstar.

This IP is from Yandex. Normally a Mailprovider.......instead of yandex.ru we've here yandex.ua.

Forget it.....its a professional Datingagency looking for clients/money.

[buck12]

Hi Gang

Thanks for all your assistance.

I just looked at the profile on the site you provided and there was one thing that stood out right away. It shows she has a masters degree and she is only 23. Must be one smart girl I have not heard back from the other girl yet as to what I need to register on so we can continue communicating but will let you know. I am now chatting with several other women and so far so good but we are just starting. If anything sounds suspicious I will be in contact. I enjoy looking for these scammers. Amazing Women was another good site for these people but they really make their money charging for everything and want to keep you there. I was going to visit one lady from Amazing Women but found out by accident that she was on the chat line the same time as we were on several other sites. I found out that she is on over ten sites. Most of the women are on so many sites it is ridiculous.

Buck12

[IceFM]

One thing is always suspicious....when you see this 4 Pics.....is it really necessary for them to look in Internet for a Relationship.....on her Housedoor must be normally a long line......

[blkcorvette]

Hi.. I just want to throw my thoughts in here. I am currently communicating with Viktoriya on Elena's Models (EM). I have had the opportunity to chat with her on Skype using web cams and I can say without a doubt that the girl in the photos was the girl I was speaking too. I have also exchanged emails with her, to say her English in the written form is not good is an understatement. But I have communicated with many girls who can speak English quite well but cannot use the language in its written form at all. I have spoke to Viktoriya many times on the phone (at the number listed above) and it is the same voice everytime. I spoke with her earlier today about my finding this site and her being listed on it, we spoke for nearly 40 minutes. Why??? Why would a girl who is aledgedly running a scam want to even deal with being confronted about it. If she was running a scam she would have 5 to 10 other men to continue running the scam with. I have been a victim of a scam in the past, and it certainly opened my eyes to things, after that I found the EM site and visited Kiev twice, once even meeting a girl, who is now a good friend and living in the US, who had her photos stolen and used in a scam against men. She felt terrible about it. These girl list their profiles on many sites, so to find them on more than one isnt so shocking. Sometimes their photos are placed on s site with out their knowledge, I always ask them about it if I happen to find them on another site.

Now about the email address and IP addresses, I use a different email for her, and I have viewed and traced all of her emails full headers, most come from the same IP address and a few aothers come from a different IP. Maybe she writes me from work, judging by the the time the emails are written. I believe that emails written using a yandex.ua or yandex.ru email address get sent through the yandex offices in Moscow. Much like a yahoo email written New York will run through their server in California. It is the ISP (internet service provider) that you need to find...

I cant explain all of the doubts or suspicions of "buck12", but one thing I want to know is did she ever ask for money??? I sse no evidence of it. Maybe I am wrong on this girl, if that turns out to be the case I will certainly post that I was... But I think she is not what she is being potrayed as.


Member banned for breaking the Rules.

[buck12]

Hello

In response to your post I was very concerned with the lack of communication as I mentioned in my previous posts. This person would not communicate via email only on Skype and by phone. While chatting on Skype it was a one way communication she would not reply very often and when she did it would be after at least 20 minutes and one word answers then request to chat on phone. Why? I talked with someone on the phone twice and it definitely was an older woman and this person could not remember anything that was discussed the previous day. Maybe she just forgot or it was a different person I was talking with. When things like this happen I see red flags. Is the phone number you are using to chat with her the same as the one posted. She may be legit but when I see weird things happening I get concerned as I have been scammed before. I posted here because nothing made any sense and I wanted to see what the experts thought about my concerns. Wish you the best.

[FrumpyBB]

Not legit. Lying about location, prefabricated massmail lettes, model-like pics, all add together.

Why??? Why would a girl who is aledgedly running a scam want to even deal with being confronted about it. If she was running a scam she would have 5 to 10 other men to continue running the scam with. I have been a victim of a scam in the past,

Why would a scammer admit to scamming? Discussing this and confronting is very wrong, harmful and opens your door to more scammers.

And victims per se WANT to believe. It´s natural - that´s what makes this crime so disgusting.
It´s up to you whether to question what WE say or to question a scammer´s motives.

[buck12]

Hi Again

I forgot to mention another reason why I believe this is a scam. I conducted a search of several websites looking for her profile and guess what kaboom there she was. Here is the list of only a few that I spent time searching and they are all owned by the same guy.

Amazing Women
Army of Brides
Russian Bride Maker - tile is VickyWild
1st International Marriage Network - title is Lyubov_Charming and spells her name Victoria on this site.
Brides of Ukraine
Brides of Russia

There are probably many more sites and she is current on the these sites as they show when last logged in. I would love to hear the reason she gives for being on so many websites. I had the same issue with a woman I communicated with for a long time and stupid me I arranged a trip. She was and is still on all the sites listed above and more. For some reason I decided to search several websites and there she was online everyday on each one. Based on that I cancelled my trip. She emailed me to find out why I did not show up and I told her the reason. Her reply was "I am an idiot and her chatting online on several sites was a dumb reason" Well there is my two cents and I believe the lady we are currently talking about is probably a pro-dater.