Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

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Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby lalaland on Mon May 21, 2012 1:48 pm

This guy connected with me via Match. His email address was vogelrick@live.com Later he used vogelnew11@yahoo.com.

This is the first message he sent me - which I now realise is pretty standard scamming style. This was my first experience on Match - not a great way to start!!

How are you doing today? I want to introduce myself properly My name is Rick Vogel I was born june 1 1963 In Slovenia, My mom is a slovenian and my Dad Italian. My Dad was a well known business man and he later moved to US and I joined them when I graduated. I had a bsc in Civil/ structural Engineering I am a contractor i deal basically with oil platforms and also construction of roads. I just left NZ after 3months of oil rig supervision. I chose Engineering as a career because i have always dreamt of becoming one. hehe

I have come realise that we are nothing without a partner, someone who would stand by me no matter the situation. A woman who tell me honey, you can do it no matter what i want to do , A lady who knows the true value of family. A lady who can protect me like a lioness would do her club hehe. I lost my wife four years ago and since then I have been on my own and I don't think it's the best for me. God bless me with an angel in person of my daughter she is just 8years, her name is Payton.

Did you know i saw something in your face, some thing that made my heart pause to read you, something that tickles in the heart, could it be love at first sight ? may be we could find that out hehe ...... I was surprised because I was still reading your profile when your message came so I knew something special is about to start.
I hate lies and dishonesty I think. The most important aspect of Good family life is Integrity ,trust ,understanding . And confidence in each other.

Now tell me more about you.. what do you do for a living ? what do you do for fun ? whats your best colour whats your best meal. please take good care of your self hope to hear from soon have a blessed and lovely day.

With Sincerely…&… Best wishes,
Rick.

DAY 2:
How are you doing today, I am suppose to say Good morning but it's already evening over there, so I say do have a lovely evening my dearl. Yes I am back to US cos I have to work here as well. It has been so boring without that special one in my life so all I do is work work for overcome any strange feelings.

By both families were Catholics and I grew up in catholic setting and you know what I mean as a catholics. Well I will say I am religious because I don't miss church on Sundays and I am prayerful. I also believe in adding value to other peoples lives and I strongly believe there is reward in that.
Wow!!! your story of not going to university was indeed a touching one and I am so sorry yo hear that, I wish we were friends then so my Dad can take care of you because he was well to do then, and he paid school fees of couple of friends then and I liked him because he has a good heart and people said I took after him. You have really worked in places and I know it's all different experience.

I wonder why men cheat and that is common now because that is the cause of major divorce all over the world. I never cheated on my wife and god bear me witness. Yes you are right for making it friendly, I tell people it's important to keep good communication with your ex. You have kids so your kids will need him some times.

I believe in love at first sight but the only thing that can break the love at first sight is when the persons character is scary, that will be a turn of to me.
Dear please I will really want to know your likes and dislikes so that so that so we can build up a relationship that will be based on truth, trust and sincerity... Please like me, Am ready to give you a chance in my life because I have put the past behind and ready to get a new life and happy one once again. If there is anything you want to know about me please feel free to ask me because I an open person and if there is an area of my life that you want me to adjust i will do because we both deserve happiness.

Thanks so much for your email looking forward to hear from you.
Take care always,

Day 3:

I just want to say a lovely morning to you, hope you slept well? I just want to tell you that from the way I feel now I know God has finally given me my heart desire... I feel with you I will be complete again as a man.. It's too boring to be single and when you are single the right women don't seem to come your way... Maybe because we are busy in our own various ways....You are different and I feel you are one of those nice women out there that need a good man.

I live in Munroe Falls, Ohio. New York is one of the best cities in America, everything is in New York that is why must singers keep making reference to NY according to most of them '' if you don't make it here you can't make it anywhere'' It's a lovely place to be but to expensive to live in. Yes I love beaches in fact I am a beach person, love to cool off there at my relaxation. Most times when when I have a strong decision to make and the thinking is not really going well, I will just go to the beach and relax and get the head cooled.

No I do not work for anyone I work for myself, I can say I am a global contract and I have worked for many companies as a private contracter. The work in NZ is not mine, I was only hired to inspect the finishing off a private oil rig. I have worked in China, for 6months and I was still under a contruction company then, it was not a funny experience, let me use this opportunity to narrate an incident that took place while I was in China, I worked for 6months in China but was alwasy calling my wife to know how she was doing. Do you know a man I called my best friend was always going to my house to see my wife and from there he started liking my wife and he started asking her out, telling her that there are so many beautiful girls in China and as a man I should be sleeping with them and I told him I already got couple of girls there. To cut the long story short one day he came to the house and wanted to start touching my wife so she told me, hope you see how carlous friends can be? So for now no special friend or whatever.

At a time in my life I thought it was over for me, I were never happy I pretend to be happy because of my daughter. if am sad she is always sad so I decided to always make myself happy, it has never been easy being alone but i focussed all my mind on my job so I do not get to think about woman, I have met some ladies since i started this search but there are opposite of what I want.
my wife died of a car accident, the acident was not that serious but she was 7months pregnant. The whole situation is coming back to my head as if it was yesterday, Oh life was wicked to her, she was inside the car when a truck hit the drivers side where she was and she was rushed to the hopital but she couldn't make it.
Yes Rick is Ricardo but I was born with Rick and Rick is what I grew up with and my documemts bears Rick.

Hmmm!! I really want to get to know you and I will be happy if things work out the way we planed. XXXXX is a nice place and will love to visit.
Cheers,
Rick.

DAY 4

Good morning and hope your day is moving on as planed? Thanks so much for always keeping in touch, I really appreciate this constant communication It will really go a long way in getting to know more about us. I and my daughter are doing great, she can always stay in school and i will pick her up by weekend, her school is a catholic school. I was missing her so much so I want her to be with me now cos no special thing now in regards to work. I also pay a philippine woman every month for taking care of her, her moms younger sister is not far from us so she is always with her if am not around. Payton is so precious to so many people, people came looking for her and wanting her to spend time with them, must time pass the the night.

I do not have any brother or any sister I am the only child, yes my Dad is alive and healthy but he is old now and decided to go back home my Dad is in Rome as we speak. I was 21 when my Dad relocated and I joined them at the age of 23, It was really had for me to blend among people then, my accent was something else and ladies say they love it then because it was not common, lol. My father did not move to US from Slovenia, He left Slovenia to Italy and from Italy was when he came here, Tito died 1980 we have left Slovenia then. I lost my mom in 2001. I hope I remember all your question and answer all, please you have to ask me again if I forget any to answer any of your question. My wife died in Fort Lauderdal, FL. It was after her death that I moved to Ohio because it was a big house I bought and I was always feeling her presence so I have to move to get over that.

I have worked all my life and I think it's the right time to start getting the beautiful things of life, I normally work because if I don't I think a lot. My usual saying, and i am known for it, is that, Life is simple, for those who take it simple. I don't like to complicate things,there is joy in every situation if you know the right way to face it. My world is revolve around my work and my daughter, I take my work as a vital part of my life. my work is mostly supervision because of the level I have atained in my life, One good contract is enough to take care of you for years, contracts depends on what you are going to build or erect. I went to NZ to supervice a part of oil rig, the contractor handling the contract said he will finish it for 18 months. contract can be 4years as well depending on what you are doing. I often get contract but depending on what it's all about. I do have enough time even when am on contract and the major reason of working much is because am lonely.

For now I do not have any where in mind to live but the important thing is that I will live where my wife wanna live. I am a romantic man and I love being physical and emotionally closed to my woman, I love holding hands with my woman. Pucture the kind of man that I am, going to movies together in fact doing everything together. I love paris but it's too busy, I have never been to Jerusalem, what is it like?

Coming to food, I love Spaghetti With Roasted Pepper Sauce, I love Chicken With Mustard Cream Sauce, I love Crispy Roasted Potato Spirals. Let me put it this way, I love Italian generally. I don't know if am a good cook, but my daughter and a whole lot of people enjoy my cooking. Just wanna say good morning and hope i do get to know you more always.
Rick


The emails continued to claim love and the intention to move anywhere in the world to be with "the woman he loves" i.e. me!! How wonderful!! After a month of daily emails, IM contact and phone calls came the sting via a supposed travel agent asking for $5000 to be deposited in a bank account to fund "Engineer Vogel's flight" - apparently he couldn't be reached on the oil rig and would pay me back as soon as he was here. Luckily I had enough sense to see through this. I emailed "Rick Vogel" and told him not to contact me again. Within seconds he was on MSN chat asking me what was wrong (oh... but wasn't he supposed to be uncontactable on the oil rig???) and how could I be so cruel to break it off with him. I guess the truth is when it seems to good to be true it really is too good to be true! And the grammar is so awful - what was I thinking!?!?

I'd love to upload the photos he used but still trying to figure out how to do that. There is Facebook page that bears the same photograph although he claimed he didn't have a FB page, and when I challenged him he said he'd forgotten the password. The FB page doesn't look as if it's been used since 2011. I wonder if that is the "real Rick Vogel"'s page? He refused to load skype or to engage in a video call - another red-flag but as a newbie I was clueless.

I'm posting this here because he's still "out there" and I hope this will prevent someone from losing money or feeling as violated as I do. I think I might have to stick with friends of friends from now on - online dating is a minefield!!
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Re: Rick Vogel

Postby minerva on Mon May 21, 2012 2:05 pm

welcome to RS and thanks for the post :) yes it will help other you do the right gal :)

I'd love to upload the photos he used but still trying to figure out how to do that


just click texts bellow the board " add image to post" than browsed the image after that click submit, hope it will help you :)

can you post the bank account that he sent to you?
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Re: Rick Vogel

Postby minerva on Mon May 21, 2012 2:20 pm

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seem i ever see this pic on RS ?? but still did not find it :(
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Re: Rick Vogel

Postby lalaland on Mon May 21, 2012 2:35 pm

Thanks Minerva. Luckily I kept a healthy dose of skepticism right through my communication with "Rick". I wasn't expecting this level of deception but it helped me not to get too drawn into his stories.

When I try to upload the photos I get a message saying that there is a problem with a decode delegate for this image format - strange coz it's a jpeg that I lifted from his profile on Match. The other image I have is of him with his daughter. What I'm really sick about is that I sent him a photo of me with my kids which I'm sure he will use to scam some poor unsuspecting guy.

I couldn't open the attachment that was sent with the bank account details - perhaps this guy is a newbie too and hasn't quite got it all worked out! The "travel agent" was called Bryan Tailor and his email was mis-spelt "bryantalor@consultant.com".
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Re: Rick Vogel

Postby minerva on Mon May 21, 2012 2:50 pm

glad that you aint fooled his drama story :)
about pic, did you copy his pic in match.com and than save into you PC documents? better copy it 1st than you can post here after that

What I'm really sick about is that I sent him a photo of me with my kids which I'm sure he will use to scam some poor unsuspecting guy.


no worries bout this coz scammer rare re used vic pictures. but for make sure it you can google your own pic :)
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Re: Rick Vogel

Postby lalaland on Mon May 21, 2012 3:03 pm

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Postby minerva on Mon May 21, 2012 3:10 pm

good job lalaland :applause: i know you can do it ;) thanks for the pictures.
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Re: Rick Vogel

Postby minerva on Mon May 21, 2012 3:25 pm

you can also post the header of his mail that he sent to you and here the link to help you find the header
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Re: Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby lalaland on Tue May 22, 2012 12:15 am

The source host name is "60-234-68-170.c.hd.net.nz" and the source IP address is 60.234.68.170.
Geo-Location Information

Country New Zealand
State/Region
City
Latitude -41
Longitude 174
Area Code

Here's the source host for the email. He told me he'd just come back from working in NZ - maybe he had actually been there?? His phone number checks out as Ohio too. But the emails were DEFINITELY a scam. I guess just a very very clever deception. If it hadn't been for the travel agent asking me to pay for his trip I would never have discovered this until too late.
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Re: Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby lalaland on Tue May 22, 2012 12:23 am

OK ... the IP address is registered to a hosting service called "Hosting Direct" based in NZ. Wow! This guy went to a lot of trouble to make it look real didn't he?!

inetnum: 60.234.68.0 - 60.234.68.255
netname: HOSTINGDIRECT
descr: Hosting Direct Ltd
descr: Lv 1, VTR House, 24 Manukau Rd
descr: Epsom
descr: Auckland
country: NZ
admin-c: BS462-AP
tech-c: BS462-AP
status: ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE
mnt-by: MAINT-NZ-ORCON
changed: benny.treefoot@team.orcon.net.nz 20090312
source: APNIC
person: Ben Simpson
nic-hdl: BS462-AP
e-mail: ben@hostingdirect.co.nz
address: PO Box 26
address: Westpark Village
address: Waitakere
address: Auckland
address: New Zealand
phone: +64-9-280-4135 ext 301
country: NZ
changed: apnic@orcon.net.nz 20091117
mnt-by: MAINT-NZ-ORCON
source: APNIC
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Re: Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby FrumpyBB on Tue May 22, 2012 12:29 am

Looks like a proxy if this is the correct "originating IP" :) Lying about location is typical for scammers´ fake personae.
Please try your best to block ALL your scammer´s still incoming messages and calls!

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Use Spokeo.

Please click why "confronting my scammer" is terribly wrong :)
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Re: Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby Marisa on Tue May 22, 2012 12:45 am

everything that has word "hosting" in it is fake, means proxy, means scammer is trying to hide IP.

Hosting - means they host websites. They don't provide people with Internet access. On one of the sites they host there is either an exploit found (means an ability to mass-mail via their hacked script), or some sites deliberately store crap, to spam, scam, hack, etc...

in any case, it is not an Internet Service Provider = fake IP.
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Re: Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby lalaland on Tue May 22, 2012 2:26 am

Yep - an amazing level of deception. What goes around comes around so I'm not too concerned about finding out anymore detail. Learned a good lesson about how the world of internet dating works! It's pretty murky!! Thanks for the support provided - it's a great service you're providing here. Keep it up!
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Re: Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby karmababy on Wed May 23, 2012 2:13 am

Wow !!! There must have been a reason for me to google this man's name which bought me to this site. I'm lost for words and knew he was too good to be true confessing such intense feelings and emotions so early in meeting. The man is crazy and not at all what you would even call a man :) ... Great work lalaland for sharing this and romance scam for having such a site that will help so many people.
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Re: Rick Vogel, vogelrick@live.com/vogelnew11@yahoo.com

Postby minerva on Wed May 23, 2012 7:20 am

thanks for the words karma baby, and welcome to RS :) we will do the best ;)
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