www.dream-marriage.com are scammers do not trust them!!!

[alex from UK]

Dear All
I would like to inform you that dream-marriage.com is scam website. I made a mistake to trust them and I was cheated and had myself nearly abducted. For this very reason they have no address in the site and do not pass over to them your card details.
They are fraudsters!!!!

Staf safe please.

Alex
UK

[wayne]

We really need more proof than this I'm afraid to say. Doing a whois on the site shows this

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: DREAM-MARRIAGE.COM
Created on: 17-Dec-03
Expires on: 17-Dec-12
Last Updated on: 11-Nov-07

which shows it's not a fly by night website like we often see. However, googling their name shows some interesting hits, including one at http://agencyscams.com/Why/Dreammarriage.html

[alexfriends]

Alex from UK is 100% right about DREAM-MARRIAGE.COM It's same to anastasiaweb.com

Local agencies put profiles of girls. All letters are written, NOT translated, by the stuff of local agencies.

[lie4ik]

I am not going to rant and accuse. I am going to explain to you exactly how they do it and why you should never use this agency.

By now, everyone (OK, maybe only 75% of all men) knows that anastasia-international.com (anastasiaweb.com and scanna.com) is the biggest scam agency in the world, Well, dream-marriage.com is EXACTLY the same. It is not clear if they stole the model of anastasia-international.com, or if they made a deal, but when you look at the sites, it is obvious that they are made of the same cloth.

More proof if this is their affiliate program. dream-marriage.com has an affiliate program with the same exact system as anastasia-international.com. MORE proof of this is their names...

anastasia-international.com - 4affiliate.net
dream-marriage.com - affiliate4web.com

Also, they both have created fake anti-scam sites to discredit real anti-scam sites...

agency-scams.com – belongs to anastasia-international.com
agencyscams.net – belongs to dream-marriage,com

It is funny that they call real anti-scam sites a scam or unethical, but in making their fake anti-scam sites, they are libeling and attacking their competition; the most unethical practice of all.

Lastly, both companies have excellent SEO and PR skills to make themselves look very professional and legit. They attack competitors, anti-scam sites and you can find there marketing tools all over the net. This is called smoke and mirrors. They hide the truth with BS to make themselves look wonderful.

dream-marriage.com has stolen (or paid to have) the EXACT same scam model as anastasia-international.com And if you google their name, you will find many reports of this.

How is it done?

It is easier to answer, “How are they not in prison?â€Â

[figgisdog]

Well there is nothing good for me to say about this site, i will tell my story. I was involved in chat with a girl for 4 months, anybody will tell you it is quite expensive to do so. I also sent her flowers and many letters. I went to see her, She was the girl on her photo so there was no problem there. I got checked into my hotel. The first date we go to a cafe and a bar and we chat useing an interpreter. It soon became obvious to me that this girl did not know much about me. Lots of things i had told her about me in chat she knew nothing about when we had our first date. day two she turned up with keys to an apartment and asked me to go there rather than stay at my hotel, it was going to cost me 70 dollars a day. I refused. we go to a couple of bars talk drink and generaly get on very well. Final day, we go for a walk through a park, after we go to the shops and via the interpreter she asked me to buy her a gift, it was no problem for me so i did and she was happy. This bit is where i realised it was a big con, the interpreter said she needed 500 dollars for medicine as she had an infection in a cut from an accident and yes she did have a cut she showed me. I said i did not have 500 dollars and she said it was ok just give me what i had. I refused and told her straight that i thought she was scammimg me for money, i then told her all i knew about her and asked her to tell me everthing she knew about me. Then it all came out, She had not received half the letters i had sent her and on some times in chat i was talking to her interpreter and not her. She was horrified and said she had been lied to by the agency and her interpreter who translated for her and wrote her letters. she said it was a bad thing for them to do and she was very sorry as she realised i had been missled by the agency . The interpreter with us was horrified and said he would help her learn english and she should leave the agency and we should communicate by phone and letter. This is the cruel bit from this moment on she was all over me kissing me and generaly being over the top nice while trying to get me drunk. she then again asked me for the money and insisted if i care about her i should help her as she was ill. this went on all night words of love promices of marriage and happy life together. I gave her what money i had because to an Englishman with all respect dollars are useless. As soon as she got the money she got a taxi and went. I got her address and phone number and first few calls she answered and yes it was her, now she wont answer. I am getting her name and address checked through russian detective and i wont be surprised if it is false. I also called the interpreter who promiced to help us and guess what he hangs up on me twice, thats where the penny dropped i had been had. ok guys what can i say to sum it up. Dont chat too long with these girls because they are interpreters and not the actual girl. When you meet the girl all they want is a good time while trying to extract as much money from you as possible. if you want to get your heart broke and ripped off join this site. it should be called shattered dream marriage. con

[smartakuss]

A few months back I happen to experience both "Dream Marriage and "Nataly Marriage Agency". Well aware I never took part to any "Chat" with the persistant "calling girls"... Most of them do have a very limited ability to express themselves in writtings, to begin with... So you can easily guess what this turns to be really on Chat...!

You just loosing your bucks at the speed of light and nothing consistant can ever be coming out of that mess... As I already stated about "Nataly Marriage Agency", the girls are showing no interest at all in writing normal messages and letters through the in house mailing system...You ought to spend your VideoBucks as much as possible...! That's the TrickyBoobyScam... Desire-Desire...!

But what I also clearly noticed and observed is that many girls particularly from Nikolaev do have similar profiles on both these sites... and you can see clearly the Chat signals blinking constantly on "Dream Marriage" whilst receiving a "Chat invitation" of the very same girl from "Nataly Marriage Agency"... So they are obviously jumping from one site to the other one from the same computer... Isn't it great...!!!

On top of which you find also many of them on "TopLop"... The ones you have been smiling and winking to and even exchanging some litterature with would not dare to communicate privately as "TopLop" pretends to encourage people to do so...!

Those who sent you already multiple "Chat invitations" on these DM & NMA sites may be saying that their English is too bad to write you on their own private email and therefore they have to use the translation facility on TopLop...! Isn't it great...???

Well it is very obvious that many girls there are used and we hope for them paid to be "Ring Girls" and ONLY LURING YOU INTO THE AGENCY VIDEO SCAM...

It is also very obvious to me that these "S..T SITES" are very closely related... BE AWARE.

[figgisdog]

It turned out that the address that the girl gave me was wrong. Her name does not match the address she gave me, she is not registered as a resident anywhere in the city that she says she lives in or in the local area either. her date of birth does not match anyone in that area either. the conclusion is i may have spelled her surname incorectly, from what i know there is only one way to spell her surname. she looks like she has sold me a dummy there, one thing i am certain of is the address she gave me is of some meaning to her maybe a family member lives there. Could it be that she gave me her maiden name and not her married name she claims to be divorced. Do ukrainian women keep their married names or revert back to maiden names when they get divorced. One thing is certain this lady does not exist according to local records at the address she gave me or anywhere near the local area with her name and date of birth. i will try and find out if there is some misunderstanding but from here she sounds like a scam girl.

[lie4ik]

Here is a recent letter exchange between Jim at agencyscams.com and I...this is just a little more proof that dream-marriage.com is a scam just like anastasiaweb.com.

From: "Agency Scams" <jim@agencyscams.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: "tired surfer" <lie4ik@****.com> dream-marriage.com had a lawyer contact my host and whine and cry. So,
because of internet crap, I had to remove dream-marriage.com from my
site. So, what I did was change it to dream-marriage-my.com. It is
still for dream-marriage.com, but with this name, I stay out of
trouble.

I have received hundreds of letters regarding dream-marriage.com. Most
guys have the same scam story that follows anastasiaweb.com, they join
and receive 60 letters the first day, and about 300 over the next week.
How is this not a sure sign of a scam ?

Other guys were writing girls and wanted to visit the girl and she
suddenly disappears.

Other guys go to visit the girl and they either disappear or the girl
has no idea who he is.

MANY guys get letters from girls that they are already talking to on
other sites.

and some guys have had girls confess to them that they get paid to
write letters. Some of these girls are just being nice. Some girls like
the guys and want to get away from the agency because they see all the
scamming that happens first-hand.

dream-marriage.com is a HUGE scam. They are rivaling anastasiaweb.com.
I don't know how these places stay in business with so much knowledge
these days.

Best of Luck,
Jim

DREAM-MARRIAGE.COM is a HUGE scam! They made AGENCYSCAMS.NET to discredit
me. They copied anastasia-international.com's style step by step.
JIM'S Original Anti-Scam Site - http://agencyscams.com
JIM'S Agency Checklist Site - http://jimslists.com

> Hey Jim
>
> I have 2 questions.
>
> Why are you making so many changes to the dream-marriage.com pages?
>
> Can you give me some specifics on how other men were scammed at
> dream-marriage.com?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Lie4ik

[figgisdog]

My experience with dream marriage is similar, The girl i was in exchange with hardly knew a thing about me. She had some info about me but some of it was not what i had told her. Also some of the things she told me about herself while i was in chat with her was not true either this i found out when i met her. Many very personal pieces of information i had exchanged with her she did not know about either, many letters i sent her with photos of my home town she said she did not recieve. She told me all this and it is very believable. The only thing i find hard to understand why did this girl give me false information with regards to her name and address, i got it checked on russian detective and it came back as not valid information that she gave me. If she knew she hardly knew me and admitted half the letters i gave her she did not get and half the chats i had with her was most likely with her interpreter why lie about her address and name. I dont get why most of what she says about the situation is very believable yet lie about her identity. Maybe it is her family name maybe she is married maybe she has a boyfriend. The address she gave me i think is of some importance to her. It is hard to work out if this girl is a pro dater or gold digger. Most of the story she gave me is believable, you can imagine they say to her, we will get this guy to come and see you and after that it is up to you. I got sold a view of a girl that was a complete contradiction of the girl i actualy met. I knew it was her because i sent her flowers and they send a photo upon receipt. howether one of the photos she sent me was of her and yes it was definately her the photos matched up. I cant say for certain but i would say that a lot of girls on there provide false information about themselves. when you see the website boast about confimed profiles it makes you wonder if the deceit is deliberate. This girl gave me false information about herself and i have asked dream marriage to check it out. this is a huge problem, if anyone wants to take legal action againt dream marriage heres the facts, Did i meet the girl yes i did, did the girl give me false I.d yes she did but i cant prove she gave it to me did the website use interpreters to pretend to be her and use her identity very likely but hard to prove. Did she ask me for money yes she did but it is my word against hers. She physicly told me she loved me and wanted the world from me can i ask why if that is how she feels why delete her profile and remove a method of communication, the answers are she never said that and she is tired of looking for a foreign man and removed her profile. all of this is very deliberate and tried and tested by this agency. They have all the bases covered, you get scammed well and truely and you can not prove any of it. The interpreters are in on it the management are and most of the girls are also. This site has left me significantly out of pocket. It also uses girls that have no intention of getting to know you all of which your previous correspondance would suggest she is your dream come true. This type of agency is a huge money pit. It is dangerous at times when i was with this girls driver i did not feel safe he could have been anyone. The only way to stop this type of agency is to outlaw them. Force the girls to show you proof of their identity upon meeting her. Issue receipts to you if you buy them gifts. Also the interpreter should give you his identity if he is acting for you. maybe ban agencies from arranging accomodation and travel for you. Ok its a bussiness they need to make money, but it should only be from the date side of it ,not nice little side lines like apartments and drivers. This site is a total and complete con. it is beyond belief that this agency and similar agencies are still doing this time after time. The really bad part of it is they are mostly american owned and that is shocking. These places break hearts they are a waste of time and money and need to be closed.

[jfrankparnell]

My experience with dream marriage is similar,

<snip>

These places break hearts they are a waste of time and money and need to be closed.

I completely agree - these scammers are the lowest of the low.

My cousin needs help. He realized that the site was a scam after using it for 2 weeks. Somehow he accumulated over $1500 in charges in a two-week period. He canceled his credit card before these guys were paid

Now they've started harassing him for payment. They've engaged two separate law firms in pursuit of the money. Both lawyers violated the FDCPA act in the conduct of business - and he'll move foward with complaints against both lawyers

The lawsuit claims that the amount owed is more than 3x what the 'vice president' of Dream Marriage said was owed. I realize they have the right to sue for any amount - but as I understand the law, they cannot apply penalties arbitrarily.

As far as I know, the cousin did use the site. However, it's pretty clear it's a scam.

How does my cousin move forward? And at some point, isn't he better off paying the amount owed ($1500) and then filing a complaint vs the two attorneys?

(By violating the FDCPA law, both attorneys could be subject to $1000 in fine each)

OR.... should my cousin get an attorney, and battle this based on the fact that the site is a complete scam?

One other thing - my cousin has been dealing with a head injury (hit by a car when he was 7), and I'm not sure he would be judged competant

[jfrankparnell]

(I first posted this in the wrong place on the forum - apologies)

My cousin needs help. He realized that the site was a scam after using it for 2 weeks. Somehow he accumulated over $1500 in charges in a two-week period. He canceled his credit card before these guys were paid

Now they've started harassing him for payment. They've engaged two separate law firms in pursuit of the money. Both lawyers violated the FDCPA act in the conduct of business - and he'll move foward with complaints against both lawyers

The lawsuit claims that the amount owed is more than 3x what the 'vice president' of Dream Marriage said was owed. I realize they have the right to sue for any amount - but as I understand the law, they cannot apply penalties arbitrarily.

As far as I know, the cousin did use the site. However, it's pretty clear it's a scam.

How does my cousin move forward? And at some point, isn't he better off paying the amount owed ($1500) and then filing a complaint vs the two attorneys?

(By violating the FDCPA law, both attorneys could be subject to $1000 in fine each)

OR.... should my cousin get an attorney, and battle this based on the fact that the site is a complete scam?

One other thing - my cousin has been dealing with a head injury (hit by a car when he was 7), and I'm not sure he would be judged competant

[figgisdog]

That is a bad story, i have read something similar on a different post. The thing is with this agency in particular, They dont care if the girls are genuine and want to meet a man, they dont care if their site is full of pro daters or gold diggers, they dont care if the girls lie and break your heart. the only thing they are concerned with is making money and at any cost. I met a girl who i thought was a nice girl. She gave me her home address and it was her real address. This is the problem, these girls are real but it is their intentions that are masked and you can not tell what these girls are like until you meet them and by then you have spent 1000s and you are in their country and under their rules. I would say this site has no control over the women and all the sub agencies that are involved all over Russia and Ukraine, i would say the agency is well formatted but it has absolutely no way of controlling the female members or stopping the very bad practice of the interpreters and the local agencies. They are aware of what is going on and i would say it is a runaway train, What i told this girl and her interpreter was that it is a matter of time before the agency messes up and there is huge interest comming from law agencies in the US and Europe and it is a matter of time before the agency argues with the wrong person and that person will have far more clout than them. Laws need to change but sadly it is not US law that needs to change. The law needs to change in Ukraine and Russia because this is where the bad practice of the agencies begin and the system there is allowing an anything goes attitude to these local agencies that form up into super agencies like dream marriage. As for the credit card story it is bad and something that they do to intimidate. It looks like they know their day is comming, there is huge anti information about this agency and all similar agencies and it looks like they are maybe rattled.

[duckhunter]

As far as the law goes, I know about the same as the average person, but the first thing I would do if it were me is report to the Consumer and Corporate Affairs department of your country and ask them to investigate

[Pinky]

I don't think anyone here is qualified to answer legal advice, so my recommendation would be to seek an attorney. If your cousin isn't competent, perhaps you could act as his guardian, since you seem to have a better grasp on the situation.

That said, I like to look at worst case scenarios. I take it the offenders didn't get any money, that your cousin disputed the charges and they were reversed out of his account, right? So, worst case is they do actually sue him. Your cousin has a legitimate defense, so why not let them spend the money on lawyers first? More than likely they're just blowing smoke.

In that case, the worst they're going to do is maybe report to the credit bureaus and he might have a slightly tarnished credit rating as a result. Personally, I wouldn't care because I don't use credit, but if your cousin does and a reduction in rating upsets him, he can fight that fairly easy (beware that a lot of clean up your credit adverts are scams too).

My question for you is, how did you determine that the site was a scam? Are the lawyers who are harassing him even real lawyers? We'd need to know a lot more details on the transaction, like the originating countries and the promises that were made and or broken and where these lawyers are located. I've never seen a scammer with a real lawyer, let alone see one pursue his scam in a legitimate court.

[jfrankparnell]

Duckhunter, pinky - thanks for the responses

I don't think anyone here is qualified to answer legal advice, so my recommendation would be to seek an attorney. If your cousin isn't competent, perhaps you could act as his guardian, since you seem to have a better grasp on the situation.

I just contacted a lawyer for him - one who specializes in FDCPA disputes. As I see it, there's two components of the case:
- the FDCPA violations against each of the two debt collectors - this could amount to $2,000. The issue here is the behavior of the debt collectors
- the case itself - where the issue is the possibly fraudulent nature of the website, and my cousin's competence/naivete.

The website in question is Dream-marriage.com - there's threads devoted to this one all over the web. From what I've glossed, it appears that they pay women to pretend to be interested in marriage.

That said, I like to look at worst case scenarios. I take it the offenders didn't get any money, that your cousin disputed the charges and they were reversed out of his account, right? So, worst case is they do actually sue him. Your cousin has a legitimate defense, so why not let them spend the money on lawyers first? More than likely they're just blowing smoke.

In that case, the worst they're going to do is maybe report to the credit bureaus and he might have a slightly tarnished credit rating as a result. Personally, I wouldn't care because I don't use credit, but if your cousin does and a reduction in rating upsets him, he can fight that fairly easy (beware that a lot of clean up your credit adverts are scams too).

This is what I advised my cousin and his mom to do. The legal process in the US is such that disputed debts cannot be reported to the credit bureau.

My question for you is, how did you determine that the site was a scam? Are the lawyers who are harassing him even real lawyers? We'd need to know a lot more details on the transaction, like the originating countries and the promises that were made and or broken and where these lawyers are located. I've never seen a scammer with a real lawyer, let alone see one pursue his scam in a legitimate court.

The two lawyers in question are not 'real' - they are classic ambulence-chasers. It appears that lawyer 1 (in Florida) is the ring-leader, and lawyer 2 (in my cousin's state of residence) is a local affiliate.

Lawyer 1 has a bad reputation - lots of complaints and scam reports.

The violations of the FDCPA are pretty clear - both sets of lawyers sent notices demanding nearly $5000. Lawyer 2 included an affidavit from a Dream Marriage representative stating that the amount owed was $1996.99 - in agreement with the info from the credit card company.

If that's so, then both attorneys have misrepresented the amount owed - and under the FDCPA they are subject to damages up to $1,000. This requires a civil lawsuit to pursue.

As I see it, my cousin could possibly recover $2,000 from the two lawyers, which would just cover the $1996.99 owed - so as you said, in a worst-case scenario, the cost of this is legal fees.

My cousin's mom doesn't want to pursue this - she's fearful of the emotional toll it would take on her son. So one strategy is to engage an attorney to handle a settlement with Dream Marriage, while pursuing the FDCPA violation litigation.

Lawyer 2 was kind enough to send along letters my cousin sent to the women working there:
Svetlana Dyachenko
Kristina Zarenba
Maria Masohina
Liza Browns
Nadezhda Nosova
Julia Stavitskaya
Anna Bezkhlebnaya
Elena Koren

In addition, the company rep's name was Anastasia Popova.

Do any of these names ring a bell to anyone here?