Helena - helenz753@yahoo.com

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Helena - helenz753@yahoo.com

Postby 2cool on Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:52 am

Hi

I am "dating" a Russian girl. She will use a visa agency to buy the ticket and arrangement to come to me.

Is this visa agency legit?

http://www.visa-kirov.ru
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby FrumpyBB on Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:58 am

WHoIS:

domain: VISA-KIROV.RU
nserver: ns1.timeweb.ru.
nserver: ns2.timeweb.ru.
state: REGISTERED, DELEGATED, UNVERIFIED
person: Private Person
registrar: REGRU-REG-RIPN
admin-contact: http://www.reg.ru/whois/admin_contact
created: 2009.07.28
paid-till: 2013.07.28
free-date: 2013.08.28
source: TCI

I find it hard to come to any conclusion. It´s next to no info, which is unusual, but the site is "old", which is unusual for a fake or fraudulent site...

Can you post an email header from any email of the girl you received, minus your own name and ermail in it? Best would be the very email header of the email that mentions this url.

Just to see whether her emails come from Kirov or at least the vicinity.

it would only prove she is fake, nothing about the agency, however. Since I find nothing on the internet about it, it looks ok to me so far.
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby 2cool on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:17 pm

Hi thanks for your fast reply :)

I cannot find the actually web address of the Visa Agency in my mails from her. I found the web address via the phone number she gave me.

I have a picture she sent me of the instructions the Visa Agency gave her. But how on earth do i upload pix here? :)

This is what i came closest to:


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To: XXX
Return-Path: <X@yahoo.com>
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Hi my XXX. Thanks for your photo. you are very beautiful. How old are you in this photo?
How are you?? How is your day? are you tired today? or? No, you don't understand me. Dima is the son of my friend Liza.
Here is information about the company that I use.
The Name:"Visa-Travel"
Address: city Kirow, street Worowskogo 100, Office 2
Phone: (8332) 44-66-62
Today my mother and I were talking about you. I told her that soon I will be able to hug my XXX. My mom was so happy.
because the life she wanted me to be happy. I think you can make me happy.
because there is love between us. Our love never turns off.
I love you, my XXX. write me. YYY



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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby 2cool on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:22 pm

Oh i found out how to put a pic here i think:

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Her IP adresses are all different and coming from Germany. I checked like ten of them, and they are not from the same place in any of those mails. But i don't trust the mail header trackers online because they all give different locations if you punch in the same IP addresses in different websites. Spooky!

So in that in mind, it is not a conclusion that she is a scammer. It is a conclusion the net cafe she is using is using random proxy servers for some reason - i think.

If i could get a proof that she is a scammer i would be glad. No guessing will make me cut the connection to her.
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby minerva on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:33 pm

can you please re post her pics?? coz i can not see any pics add in your post. thanks you :)

bout IP scammer can used proxy to hide her real IP and make like a German IP ;)
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby minerva on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:37 pm

IP: 84.63.71.203
Decimal: 1413433291
Hostname: dslb-084-063-071-203.pools.arcor-ip.net
ISP: Arcor AG
Organization: Arcor AG
Services: None detected :thinking: ---kind a red flag
Type: Broadband
Assignment: Dynamic IP
Blacklist:
Geolocation Information
Country: Germany de flag
State/Region: Nordrhein-Westfalen
City: Hürth
Latitude: 50.8667
Longitude: 6.8667
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby 2cool on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:41 pm

I would like to post her pics. But how do i upload them? It seems like linking to uploaded pix ( [ img ] [ / img ] ) wont work either :)

*Corrected post*

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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby minerva on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:49 pm

click add image to post in bellow the replay field than browsed the pic that you wanna add. click upload. but 1st make sure that you already copy and save that pics into you PC before you add here. :)

well done :applause: :applause: and thanks for the pics :) feel free to add her other pics too ;)
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby 2cool on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:58 pm

ok. She has probably sent me 50 pics and 25 pics of where she grew up. And one pic of the outside place of her job. Even though Google earth doesnt show street wiev it looks authentic. But her passport pic and IP address that changes all the time is screwing with my mind.

I asked her three times to send her specific pics to me, and she did. But she could still be a girl working with the scammer - the person i talk to for real.

She also calls me to talk to me. But i have read that, that also can be a part of a scam. The number she uses is this: +1 (646) 300-8760 (Integrated path - Negotiation Point) I guess she uses a call-back service to save money.

It is not easy to be a genuine woman looking for love these days. It must be hard to walk the thin line of not making the man think she is a scammer. There is so many rules for spotting a scammer. What rules are left for a real woman to get a man? :silly:

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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby FrumpyBB on Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:43 pm

Very strange. Arcor is a normal provider here, is it a paid for PN proxy? And a US phone number... suspicious, too.
I am lost. Too many things do not add up here.
Do you have a few more email headers? :)
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby Pinky on Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:23 pm

Aww, c'mon here. All this dinkin' around with bits an pieces trying to find out if the woman's legit, could all be resolved quickly by one simple question - Are you expected to send money to this 'Visa-agency'? If the answer is yes, even if she's real - you're not going to get what you expect for your money.

Do some research and find the results and statistics for men who've 'bought' their women.
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby Stealth on Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:28 pm

2cool wrote:ok. She has probably sent me 50 pics and 25 pics of where she grew up. And one pic of the outside place of her job. Even though Google earth doesnt show street wiev it looks authentic. But her passport pic and IP address that changes all the time is screwing with my mind.

I asked her three times to send her specific pics to me, and she did. But she could still be a girl working with the scammer - the person i talk to for real.

She also calls me to talk to me. But i have read that, that also can be a part of a scam. The number she uses is this: +1 (646) 300-8760 (Integrated path - Negotiation Point) I guess she uses a call-back service to save money.

It is not easy to be a genuine woman looking for love these days. It must be hard to walk the thin line of not making the man think she is a scammer. There is so many rules for spotting a scammer. What rules are left for a real woman to get a man? :silly:
Her IP shows up from Germany and yet she claims she's in Russia. That tends to indicate a scam.

Rules for "real women"? Just be yourself. Normally the real people are easy enough to spot that they don't particularly wind up questioned at places like here. There just seems to be something about the scammers that sends of some kind of warning signs or oddities about them that makes people wind up on these sites looking to determine what they are.
"Scam signs"

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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby 2cool on Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:01 pm

I just feel it is wrong to ditch her based on statistcs and theories.

"Baby, i am ditching you because you are a scammer due to a statistic and a theory. " :silly:
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby Pinky on Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:02 pm

Maybe I was kinda harsh and judgmental in my reply above and I've thought about editing it to tone it down a notch, but really I think it might be better to explain my resentful attitude.

You asked:
2cool wrote:There is so many rules for spotting a scammer. What rules are left for a real woman to get a man? :silly:


I am a single woman. I'm not as young as the woman in these pictures and I'm guessing 2cool is probably much older - based on the statistics I've compiled just on this site alone. My attitude partly comes from this. Sure, I like to look at younger guys too, but there's no getting around the question, what motivates a younger person to accept someone older, probably not as nice looking and of a different generation with different attitudes and tastes? Add a different culture and language to that mix and you've got a recipe for disaster. What motivates them is money and status.

To answer your question above: I play by the rules. The only rule there is, is integrity. I have had men offer to pay to bring me to them. I would never accept money from a man for this. If I believed I were totally in love with this person, I would beg and borrow to do it myself.

If you're so in love with this woman, YOU should go to her. Meet her in person and determine if there's a real relationship. If she wants to come to you but cannot afford it, let her borrow and you can assume the debt if you stay together. If neither of you can afford to meet, then move on and forget this whole thing.
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Re: Visa agency checkup

Postby Stealth on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:47 pm

2cool wrote:I just feel it is wrong to ditch her based on statistcs and theories.

"Baby, i am ditching you because you are a scammer due to a statistic and a theory. " :silly:

That's up to you what you do with it. It's not my, or anyone else's money or time being lost here should your *Russian* be a scammer. You can choose to stay, if you are scammed, even after the red flags, then can't say you weren't warned, so take it as learning and move on. Or you can choose to avoid the scam, and just drop them and move on. No need to say anything to them. No matter what, it's all on you and you will be the one affected by your choice.

I haven't yet found anyone listed in our scam sections, being listed unfairly, or based soley on mere stats and theories. Those are 100% scam artists, you can bank on it.

As for YOUR *russian* (and I use the term loosely, as I am not liking the IP at all) I can say probably, but I am far more experienced with Nigerians than the Russians, so your questions are better answered by those who are more experienced with speficially Russians, and/or those who are aware of fake websites.
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